Do not attempt to take down this guy alone.

the current Leopard already has more firepower than the Abrams

In the game maybe , but still, the Abrams is the main battle tank, the leopard are the second strongest. I'm not saying leopards are weak, I'm saying, Abrams are the most heavily armored and heavily fire powered tanks

Ok, but which leopard, is it the new leopard Abrams. Or are you thinking of the Abrams with the big plow on the front.

actually in real life the leopards gun is stronger as well. they are the same gun save for the Leopard has a longer barrel which equates to faster fps which means more penetrating power

I know that, I am talking about the armor. An Abrams can withstand IED s ,

They have a slightly v shaped hull.

lol no, they dont. and you said firepower, that means gun strength.

I'm sorry, I was talking about Abrams armor, firepower is another armored part, they have a 15 mm cannon mounted on top.

Then the cannon has a hydraulic pressure release that reduces the kick on the turret. The rest on the cannon is internal.

LOL! What? an Abrams has an m240 bravo and a Browning M2 50 caliber which are 7.62 mm and 12.7 mm

and the abrams uses a coil spring recoil system instead of a hydraulic system

c'mon son! VonManstein knows armored vehicles!

Abrams does use depleted uranium rounds though while the Leo doesn't which would make up a bit for the shorter barrel. I don't know if anywhere there's a chart of the current Abrams and Leo's penetration but I imagine they try to keep those under wraps. In WWII length was just about everything but now it's more complicated especially when you start factoring in them looking into lining barrels with ceramics and what not that can withstand more muzzle energy than steel so you can use a better propellant. All we can do is look at the stats they do tell and make our best guess. I'm still waiting for them to get into rail guns on tanks and then armor may become a moot point.

Ok , just a heads up, I do confuse different Abrams tanks weapons, but if we start talking about jets and airplanes then that's a different story. I know more about jets and airplanes than I do tanks and armored vehicles. I do not think I always right about things, I know, I mistake different things for others. But jets, no so much, and helicopters.
I do know a little about ww2 tanks because my great great uncle bill was in Vietnam and ww2. He drove an m 1 and a half track.
Here is a funny thing that happened and its all true.

My uncle was in a training facility in Georgia a few miles away from the command out post.he was driving an m 1 for a training tank.
So while in training he got a message over the radio from the commander saying , get back to the station asap.
So my uncle drove out on to the highway , it was the only way back. There was a long straight part of highway so he floored the pedal.
Soon a state trooper found tank going 65 mph down the highway, so the trooper did not pull him over but drove to the command post. When the trooper went to the commander he said, you have a tank on the highway going 65 mph.
So my uncle got back finally and went inside to the building and the commander said, bill , come here I need to talk to you.
So he went in and said what do you need? The com. : who was driving the tank 65 mph. My uncle replied , me sir I was told to come back asap and I did. Com: well , why were you going 65 mph? My uncle: I can't the speedometer says the highest speed is 13 mph. Com: well, the trooper caught you going 65 mph. My uncle: well, we are in Germany getting shot at, we need these tanks to go fast and not slow and lag, com: bill , you are now the leader of the training facility.
The point is, my uncle was driving 65 mph on a public highway in a tank that goes only 13 mph. How that happens we don't know but my uncle found out how to help the tanks go fast instead of getting shot at.. Another thing is when they pull up to a trench they stop then they floor it to jump the trench instead of getting stuck.

It does not sound clear because I made long story short

I wish my uncle was still here to tell me all the things that happened, he could talk about war stories all day.

StrikerUSA wrote:Abrams does use depleted uranium rounds though while the Leo doesn't which would make up a bit for the shorter barrel. I don't know if anywhere there's a chart of the current Abrams and Leo's penetration but I imagine they try to keep those under wraps. In WWII length was just about everything but now it's more complicated especially when you start factoring in them looking into lining barrels with ceramics and what not that can withstand more muzzle energy than steel so you can use a better propellant. All we can do is look at the stats they do tell and make our best guesms. I'm still waiting for them to get into rail guns on tanks and then armor may become a moot point.

actually tungsten is denser than DU so it makes it a better penetrator(not by much) but the DU has thermic properties which allow it to burn whille penetrating igniting ammo ect.

rail guns on tanks lol lol .....nice

on that note it would be nice to actually play and see which gun is better but these Dev's don't know what they're doing with their server they don't know what they're doing with their game they just don't know what they're doing. its disgusting and it's making me not even want to play this game anymore* I'm getting a network error message and its not the net. Im using two devices right now one for aa one for other things and the one for other things is performimg flawlessly. the one for aa is crashing. what a joke the devs are. can i get my million coins back since theres no brigade wars lol.

on that note it would be nice to actually play and see which gun is better but these Dev's don't know what they're doing with their server they don't know what they're doing with their game they just don't know what they're doing. its disgusting and it's making me not even want to play this game anymore* I'm getting a network error message and its not the net. Im using two devices right now one for aa one for other things and the one for other things is performimg flawlessly. the one for aa is crashing. what a joke the devs are. can i get my million coins back since theres no brigade wars lol.

Personally I don't think they care about aa anymore.  They said that chat was a big problem in aa and that is why they wanted to do away with it but the chat and clans work the same in robokrieg the only difference is robo to me stinks so I'm thinking they did away with chat in aa to try and get aa players to move over to robo think about it the put a lot of time into robo so what do you all think?

Well either way, just because someone said something bad doesn't mean remove chat, people should just ignore them and not worry about it. I don't understand why they keep our brigade names but yet they don't let us talk to our brigade, what a joke. Inconsiderate people, probably just want to irritate us more, I don't know.

And still, I use to have robo ,I saw plenty of cussing on it, more than on aa. And they think this game is bad, well first they just need to have it set up to where if there is any report of cussing from someone and an image for proof, then give them a warning and if they don't stop then kick them. I think, I don't know about what you think.

VonManstein wrote:actually tungsten is denser than DU so it makes it a better penetrator(not by much) but the DU has thermic properties which allow it to burn whille penetrating igniting ammo ect.

Tungsten is slightly denser but DU retains it sharpness even after the shell fragments which helps in penetration so it has preferable qualities besides the incendiary effects too. I don't know all the factors but I'm assuming there's a good reason they switched from Tungsten to DU and I know the reasoning for not switching is the whole handling it may not be so good for your health argument